OFFICIAL Grassfest 2008 Thread

[Webmaster Gabe]

All I hear from these posts is "Don't like it. Redo it. Oh, but don't expect us do do anything, we're just here to complain."

Actually now that i think about it, and i look at my flyer again, i realized that it does go far beyond the majority of flyers i've ever seen, especially for any kind of small backyard show. i say with confidence that i think it's actually quite good. i seriously doubt that anyone looking at that flyer will say "wow i would love to see those bands at this free show but i don't know what that thing on the flyer is supposed to be, so i better not go".

"Gabe, you are the one who wants to promote and support this event so badly"
Why don't YOU want to promote and support this event badly? This is YOUR event too! Do you seriously think you are incapable of making an attractive flyer?

And why is making a flyer all on me exactly? why is it up to me to make a flyer, promote the show, design a shirt, design a banner, buy supplies, and do just about everything else in preparation for this show? this is supposed to be OUR event and EVERYONE is supposed to be doing their part to prepare for it. Some people's unwillingness to help out just shows that they really don't care about it, and that's the kind of attitude that has flawed this event in the past. I don't know why someone who cares so little would complain so much and actually think their opinion matters. If we want to make this event good, it's up to US, not ME, so if you care at all, then do something to help. I've got my hands full.

If we can't work together and properly organize a simple fun and successful backyard show, how the hell are we going to ever going to do any real events? It's pretty pathetic.

[Aaron Campion]

Haha first of all, how many flyers could you have made instead of posting that huge post? Gabe, i personally think the show will be fine as it is. YOU are the one who so badly wants this event to be the best Grassfest yet. Do I care? Not really, i think it will be fine. Should everyone work together to make better flyers? Probably not. You are the best one at making very professional looking flyers. Should you make another one? It doesnt really matter, i just find is strange and confusing why you are so against an idea brought up by one of your fellow staff members that 1) makes sense 2) is not really that big of a deal and would probably help in the long run. You literally refuse to consider an idea that could seriously help the promotion of the show and are not open to the possibility that your flyer may have some flaws. I personally am very open to complaints / suggestions about anything on crunchyco, and i hope people arent afraid to do so from your defensive responses. I think saying "if you dont like something, see if you can do a better job" is a pretty bad way of approaching a problem / suggestion. No one should be expected to do anything but us, thats why we're the co-leaders right? But overall haha this debate is very counterintuitive, why are we having long winded conversation about not making flyers when we could easily be making flyers? and god damnit, i really dont care that much if there are any more flyers, i guess i'll just let nick defend his own suggestion!

And by the way, how are we going to do any real events? With a real event, if we actually tried hard and made an amazing lineup with amazing bands, such as natalie portmans shaved head that we know will bring a ton of people, theres really not that much we can do. We dont exactly have the biggest budget for advertising, the one thing we could do would be to make a bunch of flyers I dont know Gabe, if we cant do something so simple as that for a backyard show, would you make more flyers for a real event?

[Webmaster Gabe]

That message took minutes. A flyer takes hours.

"Maybe we should ALL make lost of different flyers!" That's what you said Aaron. That was a good suggestion, now it seems you're going back on that completely.

I am very open to suggestions. Like this one for instance:

"The flier makes Grassfest look like a children's event. I say we force Gabe to make a better flier. and no Gabe I will not make a flier Am I the only one that thinks it's a bad flier?"

THAT is NOT a suggestion. That is an extremely counterproductive statement coming from someone who isn't enthused about the event at all. Why would I take that seriously? I would expect someone from part of my so called "staff" to be willing to step up and actually do something. If the general idea is "lets force gabe to do everything" then I guess I should change the staff section to include only me.

What I'm bothered about is how alone I am on this entire event. Brandon and Nick Moffitt have been the most helpful by far because of their positive outlook, good attitude, and willingness to help make it a good event. It's not just "if you don't like something, see if you can do a better job" it's "if you don't like something, at the very least give some kind of good ideas or constructive support, not just expect someone else to do it over and over again until you like it." It's really not fair to me when people have the attitude of "let's force gabe to do it", and then get more bothered when I very reasonably refuse.

[Fighter X]

I'm sorry your feelings get so hurt Gabe it's very unprofessional on your part. It's extremely annoying how you can't take any kind of criticism lightly. It's always "I don't give a fuck what they think"(something Gabe said multiple times about crunchyco fans at the last meeting) or "do it yourself". Anyway what I meant was......Gabe that flier barely makes any sense to anyone...even I could draw something like that in a couple minutes...you're a great artist so please make one that relates to Grassfest a little more. Give it some more thought for God sakes! and stop saying you do everything. I see Aaron working on CrunchyCo more than you

[Webmaster Gabe]

There's no sense in arguing this anymore. My reasons are absolutely valid and if you can't see that then theres nothing more I can say.

and I didn't say I do everything. Brandon and Nick Moffitt have been very helpful.

[Evan Joseph-Pinero]

So for about the most basic (and boring) flier ever, here's mine.
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[Webmaster Gabe]

Thanks evan! you're more helpful than 50% of my staff. I'll post that up on the grassfest page when i get home

[Evan Joseph-Pinero]

Oh, and I suppose, to put my opinion in.
Everybody is right, but nobody is doing anything about it.
A flier doesn't matter all that much, though the one there is, is not the best at giving out the information. If somebody, personally, thinks it does matter, they should create their own. This being to everyone, it doesn't take that long to make an okay flier. I made mine in probably half an hour, and I know it's not good, but I think it generally very understandable.

But really, why is everybody arguing over a 612x792 block of pixels? It's the show that's important, whether it's the very best it could be or not.

[Fighter X]

You just can't think of anything else to come back with Gabe. But fine screw it. Everything you do is perfect Gabe. You can not be wrong. You are all knowing!! Now go make a better flier right now!

[Evan Joseph-Pinero]

Aren't you all supposed to be 3-5 years older than me?

[Aaron Campion]

Its too bad Gabe has such a negative outlook on suggestions. Thank you Even for hearing the general notion of people wanting more flyers and stepping up! Me and Nick were feeling very alone that this idea could help promote the event, thanks for not being stubborn about it, not arguing on the forum, and just doing it! i guess maybe you should be the new webmaster! Hahah sorry Evan, why the hell did i put you on the Fighter X page as the person he sold his grovebox to? Somehow i confused you with Tommy Kaufman, sorry about that! haha

Gabe says Nick Moffit and Brandon are the only ones who are contributing to making this event be an amazing event, but i would argue Nick Walthew singlehandedly is the biggest contributor by having Fighter X perform, he has made the event incredibly better than it would be without him. And by posting bulletins of the flyer on his Fighter X myspace, he is showing awareness to a much bigger audience than anyone else! And on a serious note Gabe, it baffles still how you are not openly wanting to make another flyer! You are going to be making a new design for a Grassfest 2008 tshirt that could also easily be used for another flyer!

[Fighter X]

Now I'm just really scared of how the shirt is going to turn out.....

[Webmaster Gabe]

i love how aaron and nick love to team up and make me out to be the bad guy. this discussion stopped making sense a long time ago, so i'm pretty much done here. feel free to continue making smartass remarks, bogus statements, and false assumptions as you please.

[Fighter X]

Come here Gabe:-*

[Webmaster Gabe]

yea yea ANYWAYS...

Lizzy's working on another flyer. Can't wait to see what she comes up with.