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Post by Aaron Campion on Sept 14, 2008 11:22:20 GMT -5
GABE!!! I REALLY appreciate your honest response  i still think 4bit Fury would be a better title, but yeah, Jack just beg Nick, the pixel master, to do the artwork for you ;D im sure he would love to help a fellow Resistance member |
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Post by Fighter X on Sept 14, 2008 11:30:00 GMT -5
Shut it Aaron! I have enough on my plate as it is!
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 14, 2008 15:07:14 GMT -5
just like nick said about DMGs starting to get old, I also think pixel art is starting to get old. there are far too many artistic styles in out there to limit everything to pixel art. after a while, it all starts to look the same.
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Post by Aaron Campion on Sept 14, 2008 15:47:41 GMT -5
its pretty easy to see how pixel art and chiptune goes very well together. no other artistic styles truly fit the music theme as perfectly, and its very interesting how the artist was very limited making the music and the artwork!!!! because you can use so many different resolutions, pixel art is usually pretty diverse. people who think all pixel art looks the same could probably say the same thing about chiptune. out of all the album covers in the world, 0.1% or less are probably pixel art. so for me, its still refreshing, PLUS its neat how crunchyco has a nice pixel-y theme going on with the releases!!!! having a gameboy on the cover is bad because thats something that a 14-16 year old, amateur, limey, anus hole kid who just got LSDJ would do. no offense jack  EDIT: gabe, when are you going to understand that limitations are NOT a bad thing?? limiting yourself forces creativity |
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Post by circles on Sept 14, 2008 16:24:05 GMT -5
"Future music is not always created by future tools" so has says the great USK. Nice Jack ;D All that text behind the art is pretty interesting, but I think that should be saved for either an insert or maybe cd art. Anything but the cover. As for the cover it looks really bad. Having a Game Boy on the front cover of an all LSDJ release is getting pretty played out. With the super surge of 16 year olds picking up Game Boy sequencers these days, it seems like almost every other cover has a DMG on it. I almost regret putting a Game Boy on my Chrance EP v.2 cover! You say you like your cover art to be more drawn-looking then computerized, well, this looks very computerized : P I say come up with a completely different cover and TITLE for this release. 8-bit Fury is very corny sounding unless that's what you're going for. Maybe you could come up with a better/original title for the release and have someone do better art for you. - By "computerized," I suppose I meant pixelated. I'm sorry I just don't want pixelated. That too me looks far less professional. - The title is meant to be somewhat corny. I have a thing for naming my albums with stereotypically brutal phrases. I want the next EP to be called 8-Bit Rampage and my next full length to be called Beg For Mercy. - To be honest, the Cover Art is pretty heavily inspired by the cover of a Stars album:  I wanted the Gameboy there for the personal touch. If 14-16 year old's will think it's cool because there's a gameboy on the cover then sweet, they'll probably buy it. - Okay, so here's the thing about new Cover Art: I am completely open to anyone creating a new design that they HONESTLY believe would be a good cover for this. The only reservation I have about it is that I don't like putting the responsibility of my musical endeavors into the hands of other people, because that means I have that much less control over the project, specifically how fast it's done. I will accept new art but not if they don't draw it 3 months after they said they would. SO HERE'S THE THING: If anyone wants to design the cover art for this album, if they can do so within the next 2 weeks, I'll take it under heavy consideration. If you're busy or are too lazy to, please don't bother telling me you will, because I don't want to have to put my entire production schedule on hold for one person's procrastination. It's part of the reason I enjoy working alone in the first place. Sound good? |
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 14, 2008 16:27:53 GMT -5
i never thought or said limitations are a bad thing. i just think that it gets old using pixel art all the time. sure it goes well with chiptune music, but i think pixel art is just kind of the easy way out
and that sounds good jack. i will try to do something this week. if i feel like i won't be able to, i'll tell you asap.
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Post by Aaron Campion on Sept 14, 2008 16:48:36 GMT -5
there are far too many artistic styles in out there to limit everything to pixel art Gabe, you are saying limiting yourself to pixel are is bad because there are far to many artistic styles out there. Pixel art is not the easy way out; the easy way out is to do a quick simplistic design. You can spend just as long doing pixel art as any other artistic styles, in fact pixel art is REALLY tedious. and im talking about the way nick does it, using mspaint. in general, using photoshop is probably the easiest way out EDIT: because another artist (secret) already has their album completely finished and is waiting for artwork, i think that takes priority. and they want it to be pixel art (sorry gabe) |
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 14, 2008 17:09:06 GMT -5
I say pixel art is the easy way out because like you said, chiptune and pixel art very easily go together. it's much more difficult to do something that isn't pixel art and have it still go well together with the chip music.
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Post by Fighter X on Sept 14, 2008 18:20:51 GMT -5
I say pixel art is the easy way out because like you said, chiptune and pixel art very easily go together. it's much more difficult to do something that isn't pixel art and have it still go well together with the chip music. I wouldn't say so. I would actually like to see more chiptune covers that aren't pixel art actually......unless it's amazing MSPaint pixel art that blows my mind I don't see how drawing something on a computer is the easy way out at all really. I mean I guess it really depends on what you're drawing but let's say.....oh.....a Game Boy haha. I could draw a nice, detailed, beautiful looking Game Boy in 1-2 minutes on a sheet of paper. It would take You or I to draw a Game Boy just as good on a computer way longer. |
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 14, 2008 19:03:36 GMT -5
yeah i mean i definitely think a game boy is a pretty easy way out too. it's like when an artist makes a chiptune album the first thing they think for a cover is "PIXEL ART GAME BOY!" because it's the most fitting to the music and easy not to have to think of anything more creative. I think it would be cool to have some really creative covers that are drawn or painted or photographed or whatever to make something really interesting and unique that looks way different than all the other pixel art covers. dont get me wrong, i LOVE me some good pixel art for sure, but both pixel art and dmgs are a bit overused in the chip scene
Aaron, when we make our chiptune remix CD we should just have a big giant pixel DMG on the front! haha
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Post by Aaron Campion on Sept 14, 2008 19:19:45 GMT -5
aww crap! i wrote something in this box earlier, but brandon came over and exited out of the page, shit!
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Post by circles on Sept 14, 2008 21:54:15 GMT -5
Having a Game Boy on the front cover of an all LSDJ release is getting pretty played out. With the super surge of 16 year olds picking up Game Boy sequencers these days, it seems like almost every other cover has a DMG on it. As much as I hate the idea of opening another can of worms by starting a pointless argument, I have to challenge this opinion. I don't see how almost anything regarding the nature of chiptune can be "played out" considering it's still underground and has barely seen the light of day. I highly doubt anyone would turn away an affordable album with songs they liked in a style they've never heard before just because they saw a Gameboy on the cover, scoff and say, "Seen it," then walk off. If you are referring however, to how every chiptune artist and their dog on 8bc has a picture of their "Album cover" that's just some sloppy mspaint design thrown together in a matter of minutes to promote an EP or album they recorded in a matter of minutes and post for free on their gimmicky myspace, then yes I can see the concern over wanting to set myself apart. What will make my album any better than there's with a generic hand holding a Gameboy? How about the caliber of the songs? How about the superior mixing? How about the fact that my tracks actually have noise removal on them so there isn't a disgusting buzz in the background? How about that the volume is appropriately leveled so when the bass kicks in it's not a scratchy rumble at the bottom of your ears? I actually want to sell this for money, which means I need to give them a reason to want to spend their hard earned cash on it. Does this mean I have to be new and original? No. It only means I have to be better than the guy who sells his stuff for free. The cover of Verao is just a Gameboy with wings on it, but if Sabrepulse wanted money for that EP, I would shell out for it in a heartbeat. So in short, as long as my cover design is aesthetically pleasing, I don't mind having a Gameboy on it. In fact, I would prefer it. People only want this EP for the songs anyway. P.S. This isn't an attack on Nick. all 3 of you have been saying this over the last few posts. I just needed something to respond to to focus my argument better. And also, sorry. |
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 14, 2008 22:43:26 GMT -5
jack is right that a game boy on the cover definitely won't effect the sales of the cd, and actually it might even encourage sales if anything. most people these days just rip the tracks to their mp3 player as soon as possible and then toss the album along with the artwork in their closet and never look at it again. jack could have his CD cover be plain white nothingness with big black text that says "Circles" and if someone was really interested in his music they'd probably still buy it.
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Post by emptythought on Sept 14, 2008 22:52:36 GMT -5
i agree.
i mean think of how many artists in general have a picture of whatever their primary instrument is on the cover? it's kindof expected, and honestly tongue-in-cheek when it's a gameboy.
i think that could actually be a slick cover too, if it was redone in a very professional manner. maybe do it all with actual altered photography? all the background text handwritten in very thin chalk on the sidewalk, and take a natural light picture of your hand, holding the gameboy, over that.
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Post by Fighter X on Sept 15, 2008 8:53:50 GMT -5
Having a Game Boy on the front cover of an all LSDJ release is getting pretty played out. With the super surge of 16 year olds picking up Game Boy sequencers these days, it seems like almost every other cover has a DMG on it. As much as I hate the idea of opening another can of worms by starting a pointless argument, I have to challenge this opinion. I don't see how almost anything regarding the nature of chiptune can be "played out" considering it's still underground and has barely seen the light of day. I highly doubt anyone would turn away an affordable album with songs they liked in a style they've never heard before just because they saw a Gameboy on the cover, scoff and say, "Seen it," then walk off. If you are referring however, to how every chiptune artist and their dog on 8bc has a picture of their "Album cover" that's just some sloppy mspaint design thrown together in a matter of minutes to promote an EP or album they recorded in a matter of minutes and post for free on their gimmicky myspace, then yes I can see the concern over wanting to set myself apart. What will make my album any better than there's with a generic hand holding a Gameboy? How about the caliber of the songs? How about the superior mixing? How about the fact that my tracks actually have noise removal on them so there isn't a disgusting buzz in the background? How about that the volume is appropriately leveled so when the bass kicks in it's not a scratchy rumble at the bottom of your ears? I actually want to sell this for money, which means I need to give them a reason to want to spend their hard earned cash on it. Does this mean I have to be new and original? No. It only means I have to be better than the guy who sells his stuff for free. The cover of Verao is just a Gameboy with wings on it, but if Sabrepulse wanted money for that EP, I would shell out for it in a heartbeat. So in short, as long as my cover design is aesthetically pleasing, I don't mind having a Gameboy on it. In fact, I would prefer it. People only want this EP for the songs anyway. P.S. This isn't an attack on Nick. all 3 of you have been saying this over the last few posts. I just needed something to respond to to focus my argument better. And also, sorry. I'm not talking about your superior mixing skills or anything like that Jack, just strictly the cover and your title for the release. Yeah pretty much everyone who isn't apart of a chiptune community or is new to this kind of music will think, "OH COOL A HAND HOLDING AN OLD GAME BOY WOAHZ! 8BIT FURY YEAHH!" I'm basically just saying anyone who's on 8bc every day would look at your cover and shun it. 8-bit fury doesn't even make any sense either! You're music isn't 8-bit and it's just confusing all the ignorant people out there even further. It's like you're confusing the newcomers to this 4bit chiptune music and confusing the people who know this stuff by having 8bit in your title. If you want to have a stereotypical cover with a cliche title then I'm going to feel very sorry for you when your release comes out. |
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