CrunchyCo Music Page

[Webmaster Gabe]

Alright guys, it's time we do something about this once and for all.

As you know the CrunchyCo Music page is still divided, and many of us remember all the controversy that went down a while back in regards to this.

Here's the deal: I want my CrunchyCo community to vote on the issue after reading the following PROPOSAL.

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PROPOSAL:

- Project "QWERTY" will be moved to the front Music page.
- Everyone's Hypocrite will be moved to the front Music page.
- Circles will be moved to the front Music page.
- Baboon Torture Division will be figured out later...
- The Get will be moved to the front page when their profile becomes available and they get some songs up
- Smuggling Chewbacca will be moved into an archive page
- TEETHANDFEET will be moved into an archive page

The front Music page will be divided into sub-sections (like the rest of the category pages). The "Artist Showcase" section will display sort of our most popular/most active/newest artists, and the second sub section (which needs a good name), will contain the rest of the artists until we get enough artists to start separating by genre.

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Read that and vote.

I have my own opinion, but I think that it is important to leave some decisions to the people who it matters to, and the people who show CrunchyCo the most support. I value all of your thoughts, opinions, and suggestions, so lets make an amazing site together that everyone can be happy with.

Voting will close in 7 days from today. Results will be hidden until then in which action will be taken (or not taken) depending on the outcome.

IMPORTANT: Everyone will be allowed ONE vote and ONE message to voice your two cents. There will be no debating back and forth. If you post more than one reply on this thread, I will delete it.

[seth]

my view:
if you're going to put the time and money into 'sponsoring' an artist, don't cheat them and yourself by hiding them behind another link at the bottom of a page. it's not fair to them because they're getting next to no exposure and it's not fair to us because it's harder to find the lesser-known artists on crunchyco, AND it's not fair to you because you're losing out on fans and customers if they can't find those artists. represent your properties equally or not at all.

[Aaron Campion]

Haha funny, this forum is mostly filled with members that are personally in projects stuck in the "other" page, including myself! This is a very silly poll because we all very well know how it is going to go. I think leaving such an important decision up to the forum community is a very poor decision made by Webmaster Gabe by many reasons:

1) this forum is a pretty good representation of our friends opinions from the marysville / everett. There are currently not enough people from the rest of united states and the rest of the world to have a truly unbiased good representation of the CrunchyCo community.

2) the majority of the people on this forum are people who already know the bands on the "other" page. these people have all seen bands like everyones hypocrite play, they know how entertaining they are, and they know what such great people they are. These peoples opinions do not matter. The people who really matter are people from around the world who are completely ignorant about everything crunchyco, know none of these people, and are very new to the website. these are the people who need to let us know "was it hard for you do find the OTHER page? do you like the idea of having two pages? does it offend you? do those bands deserve to be on the main music page? should there be an OTHER page in the projects list too? should there be an OTHER page in the shop (haha just kidding about those last two)

3) such an important decision should not be decided by the community anyway. i dont care how much the community likes a particular band, if i dont personally like the band they are not going on crunchyco. if everyone in the community wants all the music on crunchyco to be a free download, it doesnt matter. Me and you (gabe) are the only staff members, if one of us is unhappy about something, we need to work it out, not leave it up to our small forum community to decide. How the music is set up now, you (gabe) are unhappy. If it is all one long list of bands, i am unhappy. We need to agree on a format that will make the both of us happy. This whole "artist showcase" thing WAS your idea, and was our little agreement. Next time we discuss the topic, think about it a little more! I dont want another conclusion that you later decide you dont agree with anymore

IMPORTANT: if i see another post by Webmaster Gabe, it better get deleted

[circles]

I think all that needs to be done is just put the artists on the front page and separate them by genre. You could be super broad and just have an "electronica" section and a "rock" section, or you could get as specific as you want ("chiptune," "pop," "indie," "metal/punk," etc.) and then whichever artists you think are getting more views or whatever can just be at the top of their respective genre. this way, no one looks like they're getting any less respect and there isn't a "showcase" or something that might hint at some type of superiority over the other bands, but by arranging the genres in whichever order you want and putting the bands within each genre in whatever order you want, you can control how upfront a band is still if its what you want visitors of the site clicking on.

I think it's perfectly fair, logical, agreeable, and would put an absolute end to this once and for all.

[Evan Joseph-Pinero]

I think this is almost the right way to do this. I do think everyone should be able to vote, but there is such a small amount of CrunchyCo's fans even on this forum, that it won't be accurate. I think Aaron has a really good point. Even if everyone who's not directly involved in any of those "other" projects votes, that's still about the same as people who are.
If possible, I think this would be better to be voted for on the site itself. Because while "true fans", etc, are probably on this forum, I'm sure a lot of people who visit the site, even just occasionally, will be surprised if and when the music page changes.
As far as what I think about the page change itself, I think all the artists should be on the same page, and not ranked mainly by any form of popularity. The genres, how they should be separated on that page, could be sorted by popularity, or they could even be ordered by how many artists/bands are in each. In reverse order, to give every genre the most visibility. ie: something with 2 projects would be closer to the top, something with 8 would be closer to the bottom. Because if somebody is on the site for some particular musical project, they're going to look until they find it. And if they happen to be looking for one in one of the less popular genres, all the better if that's more obvious, because having a bunch of bands in other genres already makes those more visible, wherever they're placed on the page.

[Atomic Sita]

Aug 25, 2008 15:54:45 GMT -5 circles said:

I think all that needs to be done is just put the artists on the front page and separate them by genre. You could be super broad and just have an "electronica" section and a "rock" section, or you could get as specific as you want ("chiptune," "pop," "indie," "metal/punk," etc.) and then whichever artists you think are getting more views or whatever can just be at the top of their respective genre. this way, no one looks like they're getting any less respect and there isn't a "showcase" or something that might hint at some type of superiority over the other bands, but by arranging the genres in whichever order you want and putting the bands within each genre in whatever order you want, you can control how upfront a band is still if its what you want visitors of the site clicking on.

I think it's perfectly fair, logical, agreeable, and would put an absolute end to this once and for all.

Seconded. this makes the most sense to me. this layout sounds like it could make the music page fun and easy to browse through, and see all of the artists on crunchyco. not leaving anyone out, and ontop of that looking like a nice professional site with loads of awesome content.

[drmoffitt]

do some people have the ability to vote more then once?
the reason I ask is because it says "total votes" and "total voters"
just curious...nottrying to start any drama.

[Aaron Campion]

OH MY GOD!!! WHAT A SHOCK!! im so happy this poll was made, it has cleared up to much in my life! this poll has proven so many points on so many levels and really is the beginning of cracking some of the world's biggest mysteries!!

haha sorry guys, had to say something ;D, did anyone else notice this thing finished on the 31st??

[Fighter X]

Obviously Aaron is the only one who voted nay. I'm with nay also but I knew my vote would be just as pointless as this thread.

[Webmaster Gabe]

haha well yeah obviously i made this poll knowing what the outcome would be. i was just curious to see it in a little chart.

there were 11 votes. 10 said change it, 1 said keep it how it is. yes, many of the people who voted are part of the groups in the second music page, and yes they are pretty much our local friends. BUT they are also the people who support what we do the most and wish to contribute the most which is why their ideas are very important. I trust the majority opinion of our supporters and contributors. things will be rearranged accordingly in time.

now that the poll is over, let's open it up for civil discussion if anyone has anything else to say.

[circles]

Aug 25, 2008 15:54:45 GMT -5 circles said:

I think all that needs to be done is just put the artists on the front page and separate them by genre. You could be super broad and just have an "electronica" section and a "rock" section, or you could get as specific as you want ("chiptune," "pop," "indie," "metal/punk," etc.) and then whichever artists you think are getting more views or whatever can just be at the top of their respective genre. this way, no one looks like they're getting any less respect and there isn't a "showcase" or something that might hint at some type of superiority over the other bands, but by arranging the genres in whichever order you want and putting the bands within each genre in whatever order you want, you can control how upfront a band is still if its what you want visitors of the site clicking on.

I think it's perfectly fair, logical, agreeable, and would put an absolute end to this once and for all.

[Webmaster Gabe]

organizing by genre is a good and logical concept, but there's a couple reasons it might not work in this case. If we get really genre specific there would be far too many seperators containing only one artist because we just don't have enough bands in other genres besides electronic/chip. If we broaden the genres, the only thing we could really do is have electronica/chip as one genre and other/misc as the other, which i wouldn't mind doing, but then again, it's also kind of hard to put some bands into a certain genre when many of our artists are pretty diverse with their music. I wouldn't really deem firebrand boy as soley chiptune, kghb also is not all chiptune, and what about artists such as Circles who are now doing two completely different genres simultaneously; would Circles be in 'electronica' or 'other'? it's just kind of hard to do it with genres effectively.

For those of you who think dividing it up by genre is a good idea, perhaps you can give a hard example of exactly what it would look, what the genres would be and which artists would go where. Or if not genres, maybe someone can give their own idea of how it should be categorized effectively.

[Aaron Campion]

as long as its not one long list, i am fine. the only way i can see it be separated is chip/electro and then weird/rock/other/local friends type of thing. gabe and i have been waiting to change and effectively fix these sections because we need to first finish a archive section, so a lot of these bands would be disappearing, helping with a lot of the clutter of having it all on one page

[Webmaster Gabe]

i'm not concerned with "clutter" really.. as long as it's organized into some kind of categories it will be fine. there are three bands that will not be on the front page at this point: smugg, teethandfeet, and btd. the only question we have to answer is what should the categories be exactly? let's hear some more ideas.

[seth]

i think genre might be too limiting. a list would be fine because there really arent THAT many artists and you don't need to have much info on the list page; just the artist, genre/style and a thumbnail pic of them. their profiles can have all the relevant info within.