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Post by Aaron Campion on Sept 4, 2008 12:12:19 GMT -5
i mean, you guys are right, no matter what theres really not THAT many artists to make it THAT cluttered, im just saying it seems to me like this seems like a pretty easy issue to fix, we will have a new, updated music page once we are done fixing it. the main thing that needs to be finished is the archive section. theres also a few bands that wouldnt show up, like the get (on hold) zeekusa (on hold) and i think im going to put qwerty on hold because i keep changing my ideas for the direction of the project and am still not really sure where its going. plus other artists wouldnt show up because they're going into the archive section: smugg, teethandfeet, and baboon
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 4, 2008 16:53:48 GMT -5
yeah, we'll figure this out and get the archive page up if i ever get a day off
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Post by circles on Sept 5, 2008 4:33:16 GMT -5
and what about artists such as Circles who are now doing two completely different genres simultaneously; would Circles be in 'electronica' or 'other'? it's just kind of hard to do it with genres effectively. I've never done anything that isn't electronic. My guitar is the closest thing to a "non-electro" instrument I have, and even that is running through an amp modeler and effects processor. How about this? Electro (I like this term more than "electronica," because that word more commonly describes techno/industrial, while "electro" is a little more broad) ELECTRO BANDS: Kids Get Hit By Buses Fighter X Leeni Circles McFiredrill Firebrand Boy Wiklund ROCK BANDS: Everyone's Hypocrite The Get ARCHIVE/Just take off the list: Smuggling Chewbacca (Archive) TEETHANDFEET (Archive) Baboon Torture Division (Archive, or just plain remove if they're not even active anymore) ZEEKUSA (Remove) Sabrepulse (Remove-Sorry guys, I know you like him. I certainly do too. But he's not selling stuff on here, he isn't promoting, and he just has absolutely nothing to do with CrunchyCo) You can put QWERTY in whichever list you think fits best when you do that. I don't really know the sound, but I would put them in electro from what I've heard. Bands on this list are arranged in order of: 1) KGHB, because they own the site, 2) Assumed Popularity 3) Locality. It's fine to promote overseas artists, that's cool and all, but not over people who live in the same country AND same state. The order however I would assume to be arbitrary. Also if anyone complained over the lack of specificity in the genres, they would be nitpicking far too much, and it's a small complaint that should for the most part be ignored. This would create a fair and organized list, add only 2 additional artist to the count on the music page (so no clutter), and (if I may boldly speak for everyone) make everybody happy. All you have to is change the "Artists Showcase" Title to "Electro," add the "Rock" section, make sure all the bands are in place, and make the current "Other artists" link into the "Archive" link. I'm not an HTML whiz anymore, but I'm pretty sure that would take about 45 minutes tops of page editing. |
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Post by Aaron Campion on Sept 5, 2008 11:37:09 GMT -5
the get would not show up on the music page because they are on hold, and really dont know if they will be releasing anything anytime soon. QWERTY is also on hold because im not exactly sure where im going with it. so if it were arranged by electro and rock, would everyone hypo by the only non electro band???
the only reason Ash (sabrepulse) isnt promoting crunchyco is why would he want everyone to go to a page that is not only incomplete, but he doesnt have anything for sale yet. its kind of like how nick got mad at gabe for announcing the lo tek project, since we have no idea exactly what we're doing, we really dont even know for sure if its even going to ever get done. Nick wanted to start talking about lo-tek once we completely figured out what we're doing and at least have one episode done. Ash sent me an email just today, and now that hes done with his tour him and I are figuring out what exactly we're doing with his chipbreak wars release: will it be 2 discs? what will it be called? whos doing the artwork? can ash get the remastered high quality japanese version of the tracks? i dont think Sabrepulse wants to start blabbering all over the internet about the crunchyco release until we really figure out exactly what we're doing
the artists order arangement should probably be listed by assumed popularity, and what i mean by that is how popular they are on our own crunchyco website. you can easily see which artists are hot each month by viewing my monthly website statistic reading. if you arent getting one and you are a crunchy artists, give me your email. Because we are a "web label" and are located on the world wide web, how local an artist is is quite irrelevant to the arrangement in my opinion, as it is quite irrelevant to the viewers from around the country / world that view the website
honestly, if the music page only had these artists in one long line, i really would have no problem
Kids Get Hit By Buses
Fighter X
Sabrepulse
Firebrand Boy
Leeni
McFiredrill
Wiklund
Circles
my biggest concern has always been clutter, as in mixing our local friend's silly joke kind of bands in with our main music page line up. these should be the bands that we truely want to bring forward to the world, bands that we consider truly high quality, bands that we think deserve attention and respect, bands that are not hard to understand but that can be easily enjoyed. haha now dont get me wrong, not everyone follows this completely, even kghb is almost crossing the line, but it still doesnt seem quite right to me include Sabrepulse in the same category as our silly projects like Smuggling Chewbacca, Baboon, Everyone Hypo, and Teethandfeet. its honestly confusing and kind of offensive. we've basically fixed this for the most part, with creating the archive section. everyones hypocrite is the only band whos stuck in the middle of all this, they are one of our older silly projects who know are kind of trying to become serious. i guess the easiest way to resolve this would to just make a separate domain (www.everyoneshypocrite.com) which would be some sort of blog that the band could post journal entries, post releases, show info, etc. I really dont know, any ideas / thoughts?
But then, whenever THE GET figures their stuff out and become an active project and come out with a release, where are they supposed to go? just clumped in with all of the electronic artists?? what about qwerty? we obviously have a main lineup of electronic artists right now, we still could just have an "other" section with the hypos, the get, and qwerty until we expand those genres
Gabe, you and I need to figure out a way to make both of us happy. What ideas can we form to reach a civil agreement?? My biggest value is to have a quality main music lineup that the rest of the world can respect, thus hopefully gaining us notoriety someday. Your biggest value is to feature bands that you personally enjoy and personally know, whether the rest of the world likes them doesnt matter because its your / our site, only you / we really matter. How can we compromise our values??
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Post by Evan Joseph-Pinero on Sept 5, 2008 14:39:09 GMT -5
Seeing ideas for it, and thinking about it, it seems like by genre wouldn't work incredibly well.
I think it could be not separated at all, and just listed entirely by who has released things most recently, or who has new merchandise. This would take a bit more work for every release and new music product, I'm sure, but I've seen sites do it this way, and it seems to make a lot of sense.
So based solely on your release catalog, it would be something like:
Firebrand Boy
Circles
McFiredrill
Fighter X
Everyone's Hypocrite
Teethandfeet
Smuggling Chewbacca
Kids Get Hit by Buses
with Sabrepulse, Leeni, Wiklund, Baboon Torture Division and The Get in there somewhere (based on non truly Crunchy releases?)
Maybe this is just me, but it seems like the only way that ends up fair to everybody. If an artist or band hasn't done anything in a while, they're closer to the bottom.
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 5, 2008 17:39:17 GMT -5
Hmm... All of these ideas make sense in their own way. However as we've pointed out, dividing by genres probably isn't the best idea., and organizing by activity is sort of tedious and more effort than it's worth. Don't a lot of places just solve these issues by listing alphabetically?
Anyways, I really am divided with what to do here. Aaron did make a good point about Everyone's Hypocrite really being the only band in question right now with some bands moving to archives shortly (smugg, teethandfeet) and the inactivity of some artists (the get, QWERTY). When you look at this list:
Kids Get Hit By Buses
Fighter X
Sabrepulse
Firebrand Boy
Leeni
McFiredrill
Wiklund
Circles
As much as I love Everyone's Hypocrite personally, it is very difficult to see where they fit in to that line-up. It is also difficult for random internet browsers to understand or comprehend my appreciation for Everyone's Hypocrite, being unable to witness their energy first hand like I do all the time.
I do sort of like the idea of having a "showcase" and an "other" section all on the front page, where one lists our more user-friendly artists, and the other lists more personal experimental artists. The only problem with that idea is that the "showcase" artists just happen to all be electronica/chiptune anyways, which in that case you might as well have it say "electronica/chiptune" and "other". Regardless of how we set it up, whether the first section is labeled "showcase" or "electronica/chiptune", the problem is that until The Get and QWERTY have anything to show, Everyone's Hypocrite would be the only band in the "other" section no matter what. It would be very odd to have a concise list of artists, and then one more tacked on under a sub-category.
It's unanimous that any band we actively feature should be on the front music page, but now we're running into the same difficulties as before, where the only difference is the use of dividers rather than separate pages.
The other unanswered question is with Baboon Torture Division. Again, it's another band that Aaron and I are personally acquainted with. By hanging out with them and seeing them perform first hand on several occasions we have a bizarre fascination with them that is very difficult for other people who come across our site to understand. Much like Everyone's Hypocrite, their appeal doesn't exactly come through in their music, but rather their physical presence. If BTD were removed from CrunchyCo, it most likely would not make a difference to anyone, not even them. However, remaining on CrunchyCo, BTD could accompany projects like Everyone's Hypo and QWERTY in sort of a "just-for-fun/personal-friend" sort of category. I'm not really sure what we would call that category though or how we would make it clear to the average user that they probably won't understand it or appreciate it as much as we do.
Im still not sure what to do. I'd like to hear some more thoughts in response to everything I just said so we can get some more ideas. (this is some great civil discussion so far by the way. thanks a lot everyone.)
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 14, 2008 5:00:38 GMT -5
I went ahead and rearranged the Music page because I was strangely compelled to tonight. You'll also notice I started work on the Archive section where Smugg and Teethandfeet now appear (along with marks and the kghb music video project). The archive page has some bugs that I'm aware of and will be fixing soon, and I will also start posting up the missing pages (many of which are already halfway complete).
Anyways, the second Music page is no more, and all artists are now listed on the main Music page. I didn't change any headings, I just listed Circles under the showcase and then beneath "More Music" I have listed Everyones Hypo, BTD, and QWERTY. If you don't like the way I have it now, don't freak out and start writing essays yet--All I did was quickly throw all the artists on the front page for the time being; the final configuration is still to be decided. Lets continue trying to figure it out. Ideas anyone?
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Post by Aaron Campion on Sept 14, 2008 11:16:34 GMT -5
although the music page is temporary, you still should have talked this over with me before changing anything. the qwerty should not be appearing on the music page because it is "on hold".
baboon has kind of been a temporary crunchy artist for over a year, which is kind of confusing. they have still not released an official crunchy records release, and nothing is planned. They are currently releasing stuff through their website and through cdbaby, they seem to not show very much interest in crunchyco, although we could be doing the same exact thing as cdbaby but literally saving them money. gabe, if you still want baboon tortue division to make and release a chip sounding video game soundtrack ep on crunchyco, then you should talk it over with them, and take them off of crunchyco until it is released because right now their presence is confusing and bizarre.
just like THE GET, everyone hypocrite is working on an upcoming album. from the amount of time it took them to finish their last album, its safe to say its going to be a long time before the album is complete. so just like THE GET, everyones hypo should be "on hold" until they actually have some recorded material done for their new CD
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 14, 2008 14:30:02 GMT -5
yeah i don't know about qwerty, but i actually do have a lot of updates for both eh and btd pages coming up. btd is working on two more albums too. i'm not gonna tell them what kind of music to make because that's not how crunchyco does things. i did realize though that all of their music is actually free on their own website but for some reason we never had it for free download on ours. i do intend to talk to them about their interest in crunchyco very soon. we should see if they really care or not and then go from there. it's true that they don't necessarily benefit us, and i'm sure we don't benefit them so i will send them a message about it soon.
but yeah the criteria for being considered "on hold" is kind of vague... a lot of artists in our list have planned upcoming releases that they've been working on for a while and haven't come out with yet officially on crunchyco (sabrepulse, wiklund...). the reason the Get isn't on the list is because they don't have anything for their page whatsoever! all the others actually do have updates to be made even though it's not necessarily a new cd release.
i'll take QWERTY off if you say we won't have anything to update for a long time, but the other two are pretty active. i think it's pretty fair to talk to EH and BTD before we make any more changes regarding them, just as we would talk to any of the other artists before changing around their status too. That is fair right?
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Post by Aaron Campion on Sept 14, 2008 14:38:17 GMT -5
alright, i see what you mean between EH and The Get. i guess qwerty is more like the get, but yeah pretty much it looks kinda weird seeing them in the section with Archive, Crunchy Comp, See list of projects, etc. i mean, they could still be in an "other" kind of section that has a paragraph explaining that they are our friends bands that are just for fun and such. i dont know, i guess we could just start discussing this is real life hhahaha
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 14, 2008 15:23:44 GMT -5
i dont know, i guess we could just start discussing this is real life hhahaha haha that's probably a good idea! kinda funny that we're talking back and forth on here while i'm at work!  |
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Post by Aaron Campion on Sept 14, 2008 15:35:48 GMT -5
haha i know, we are weird! |
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Post by Evan Joseph-Pinero on Sept 14, 2008 19:45:02 GMT -5
I think it would make sense to take the Crunchy Records Comp out or at least move it down. Given that it's not a particular artist or band.
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 14, 2008 20:04:00 GMT -5
the comp is a music project so it's on the music projects page. it's got to be on there somewhere or i don't know where else it would go!
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