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Post by pmowdrumcommander on Sept 17, 2008 20:49:22 GMT -5
if it's not too late,we'd like to get onto the bill...we
ve played the mirkwood before and it's always fun playing there.
myspace.com/portugueseband
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 18, 2008 0:21:44 GMT -5
if it's not too late,we'd like to get onto the bill...we ve played the mirkwood before and it's always fun playing there. myspace.com/portugueseband i'll pass that along to Zak, the one doing the booking.  |
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Post by pmowdrumcommander on Sept 18, 2008 23:45:55 GMT -5
big thanks!
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 18, 2008 23:58:34 GMT -5
yeah actually i literally JUST gave zak a list with your bands name on it. and you're playing at Andrew's on Saturday right? cool. see you there!
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 19, 2008 16:26:21 GMT -5
Talked to Zak the other day. Here's the confirmed line-up so far in no particular order:
> KGHB
> Fighter X
> Everyone's Hypocrite
> The Get
> Siren's Sister
> War Pigeon
> Aurora
> Invisible Giants
> Icarus Has Fallen (under a new band name)
In all honesty, it's pretty damn shoddy. Zak has not been trying very hard with the booking. So far it looks like bands from Grassfest tossed together with bands that are playing at Andrew's House Party tomorrow. Pretty much all those bands are either friends or acquaintances. Not very creative. I gave him a list (again) of bands to contact and if he doesn't hop to it soon then I will start contacting them myself. Lemonfest should be a big event and in order to make it attractive we've got to construct a better line-up with a decently popular headliner.
Below is the list I gave him. It's a combination of all the bands people have suggested on this forum so far and a couple others:
> United State of Electronica
> Idiot Pilot
> Kay Kay and His Weathered Underground
> Minus the Bear
> Circles
> The Lonely Forest
> 10 Killing Hands
> Little Party and the Bad Business
> The Nextdoor Neighbors
> Say Hi
> Fist Fite
> The Oregon Donor
> Patient Patient
> Madrid
> Yes, Oh Yes
> The Globes
> The Panda Conspiracy
> Portuguese Man-o-War
> Ubik
> Analog Destroyer
Any more ideas?
Our goal is to have a solid line-up and the final flyer made by October 1st.
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Post by circles on Sept 20, 2008 6:03:42 GMT -5
*cough*
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 20, 2008 6:58:50 GMT -5
Ahh yes! of course! what the hell is wrong with me!?!? I'll let zak know. [updated the list up there] sorry jack! i feel like a douche  |
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Post by Fighter X on Sept 20, 2008 9:34:41 GMT -5
Jack are you feeling ok? Hope you can make it out tomorrow! Maybe this even should be called Grassfest 2? |
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Post by beb on Sept 22, 2008 18:59:15 GMT -5
guys guys guys. this is very very funny. i compleatly agree with you gabe. it is grassfest all over again. which sucks. and yes we can get a lot more better bands. but . . . i find it very funny.
we are the bands. we are in them. it is our own fault. we need to step up and finally stand down. we all complain about this show being the exact same yet we all still want to play. we should just kick off all of us. Everyone's Hypocrite, KGHB, Figher X, and Circles.
just say fuck it. we dont all have to play this show it really isnt that big of a deal. by having all 4 of us step down then we can make room to invite some other really good bands. it would give us more time to prepair for the event, and while it is taking place we can all help it run more smothly. and just have fun watching everyone perform. i cant believe you gabe that you would make a comment like that but still be so happy to play the show.
i really think we should all do this. aaron gabe give me a call sometime so we can actually talk about this if you compleatly dissagree with me. cuz i really dont like how it is all the same bands over and over again.
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Post by circles on Sept 22, 2008 19:36:57 GMT -5
I'm just going to throw this out there: 8 bands tops.
Grassfest was awesome and really fun, but it was grueling to be at a concert for nearly 11 hours. The music, the standing, the lack of food (sorta) just gets pretty intense after that long, and I think the fact that this is indoors and not outdoors is going to make it even harder. Plus it's so hectic to try and control 10+ bands. You have to try and keep their sets 30 minutes or less (some bands will just play until their stopped or ask for more time on stage which isn't fair), and you have to pray they won't break any equipment or do something horribly offensive. Also for this reason I think it's better to have bands we're somewhat familiar with so we can trust them not to fuck things up.
And Brandon, I can see where you're coming from with trying to get some fresh bands onto the line-up to attract a bigger crowd, I think it's going to work out better to just have Crunchy bands on the line-up. Why?
Because let's face it, no super big band is going to play Lemonfest. Not Minus The Bear, not USE, not NPSH, not anyone who would attract major attention to this event. Not only would you have to attempt to book them over 3 months in advance, but the fall is kinda like television in that it's the time that bands try to do a lot performance wise to really make themselves shine. The summer time is all about big festivals with 20+ bands where everyone is all about just chilling and having fun, but the fall is when the concerts happen a little less frequently and are in tiny clubs, so it's really a chance for bands to do something impressive. Any band that's even remotely big is going to want to be doing some big event to glorify themselves, and not playing with an all day festival with a bunch of small bands in a bar in Arlington.
I'm not dissing on the idea behind Lemonfest at all. I really enjoyed myself last year and can't wait for it this year. But really, the people who are going to be here are going to be the dedicated fans who like the bands on Crunchy Records, and that's who they want to see. Even if you managed to book someone like Little Party and Bad Business or The Lonely Forest, the fans wouldn't appreciate them nearly enough as they should because they would just be waiting for Fighter X or KGHB or myself or you guys to play. So we may as well have a smaller list of just Crunchy bands so there won't be any boring points for the crowd and they can just be excited with every band instead of less than half.
If I were to suggest a full line-up, it would look like this:
Fighter X
KGHB
Leeni
Circles
The Get
Everyone's Hypocrite
Aurora/Icarus Has Fallen
7 bands, start at 5:30 and go till 11:30. That would give us six hours, giving each band about 45 minutes set up and play time together. Solid, smooth, and fun. But anyway that's just my opinion. I don't even know if it's my place to be offering my input on this.
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Post by Fighter X on Sept 22, 2008 21:19:03 GMT -5
Hey Jack that may have been the best post in this thread so far. I find it pretty annoying how people keep considering the bigger bands like NPSH, Minus The Bear, etc. I'm mean really just.....give me an f-ing break. That's all I'm going to try and say about Lemonfest. I'm trying really hard to not think about this even and just let it happen. If I'm booked I'm booked. This is just another even like Grassfest where Brandon gets a bunch of boring bands on one stage.
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Post by Fighter X on Sept 22, 2008 21:21:08 GMT -5
guys guys guys. this is very very funny. i compleatly agree with you gabe. it is grassfest all over again. which sucks. and yes we can get a lot more better bands. but . . . i find it very funny. we are the bands. we are in them. it is our own fault. we need to step up and finally stand down. we all complain about this show being the exact same yet we all still want to play. we should just kick off all of us. Everyone's Hypocrite, KGHB, Figher X, and Circles. just say fuck it. we dont all have to play this show it really isnt that big of a deal. by having all 4 of us step down then we can make room to invite some other really good bands. it would give us more time to prepair for the event, and while it is taking place we can all help it run more smothly. and just have fun watching everyone perform. i cant believe you gabe that you would make a comment like that but still be so happy to play the show. i really think we should all do this. aaron gabe give me a call sometime so we can actually talk about this if you compleatly dissagree with me. cuz i really dont like how it is all the same bands over and over again. So yeah I'm completely ok with not playing LEMONfest |
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 23, 2008 1:33:53 GMT -5
what... the... fuck... is going on here.
First of all, there's nothing wrong with trying to book somewhat bigger bands in order to attract a good sized crowd. If they say no, then whatever, no big deal, but there's no harm in trying; if they did say yes, that would be fucking amazing. It's not that unreasonable to think they would play a show like Lemonfest. The big bands we want to target are not so big that they are completely out of reach. They aren't gods for christ sake, their just regular people who enjoy playing music like we do. We shouldn't put ourselves in the predetermined mindset that this is just some crappy little show in a lame cow town, otherwise it will be. If we ever want to get a bigger band to play a show with us, we need to present ourselves with confidence and quit setting the bar so low.
Lemme talk about our two little yearly events. Grassfest we've realized is as big as it's ever going to get. It seriously is just a fun little backyard show with a lot of our friends, long time fans, and other people that we personally know for the most part. The idea behind Lemonfest that sets it apart from Grassfest is that we want it to have more of a wide appeal and bring in different audiences, new people and bands that we haven't seen before hundreds of times, and hopefully, unlike Grassfest, the show will continue to grow getting bigger bands, more attendees, and better venues every year.
Look, both Jack and Brandon made some very good points, but each has some major flaws:
>Brandon suggests that we step down a bit and let some fresh new bands that will help bring a more diverse audience. The problem with this is that if we drop ourselves out of the line-up completely and fill it with a bunch of other bands, on top of being difficult to book this late in the game, there would be nothing making this a CrunchyCo event, and so I'm not sure why we would really even bother to put it on. If we simply wanted to relax and just enjoy some other bands play for once, we could easily just have a night out and attend any show that anyone sets up. The reason we set up these shows is so that we can have fun playing in them. If we only book other bands, then what is it that we are we trying to do exactly? We'd only be taking the role of an event planner who books bands to make money. We know that at least a decent amount people will come to a show with all CrunchyCo bands, but if we only book other bands, our steady audience would be less likely to come and we really don't know what would happen. Doing it this way is a pretty big risk, and begs for disaster.
>Jack points out that Lemonfest is a CrunchyCo event and people will expect to see CrunchyCo artists. The problem with this is that us CrunchyCo artists do shows together all the time, and for the most part the same people come to them over and over again, so what exactly would make Lemonfest different from any other show we do? The other night Chop Suey, we had a fucking blast and it was a great show at a great venue, BUT even though we probably promoted the shit out of that show more than any other show including Grassfest, we still were unable to draw much of an audience. Chop Suey would probably would think twice before ever booking a show like that again because they did not profit off of it, and all we did was play another regular show. In order to reach new audiences and be successful, you need to play diverse shows to introduce new people to your music. The fact is that we alone just don't bring that many people. Sure we can just keep doing the same old show with the same bands, the same audience, the same everything, but I think we can be more creative than that and at least try to branch out. Doing the show this way is just the easiest and laziest thing we could do.
In my view, Brandon's ideas are far too difficult and risky while Jack's views are far too easy and lazy. I think we need to find a nice balance between the two extremes. I think if we could book half CrunchyCo bands and half other bands, that seems like a reasonable compromise. It is important to have a good mix of both because new bands will draw new crowds that will be introduced to our music. If it's just us, we'd only draw the same usual crowd, which is still good and fun, but we wouldn't really be getting anywhere. Lemonfest is a CrunchyCo event, so there needs to be CrunchyCo bands, but we also do need to diversify.
As far as how many bands play, 8 is a nice number but if 6 CrunchyCo bands play, that only leaves two slots for other bands. Aurora, Icarus has Fallen, again, these are personal friends of ours that were just very easy to book for that reason. I'd like to see some others too. I'd like to fit in some bands that we've never been acquainted with as well as friends such as Aurora, Invisible Giants, The Lonely Forest, 10 Killing Hands, etc. but if we only have an 8 band line-up we would have to cut out CrunchyCo bands in order to do so. I would rather have more bands and keep sets shorter. Long shows can get tiring, but so can long sets. We get the venue all day from like noon to midnight. People will come and go as they please, no one is forced to stay and watch every band until they can't take it anymore. People will come to see who they want to see. If we book a ton of bands and don't feel like cutting anyone out, we can always have some bands play shorter sets towards the beginning of the show.
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Post by circles on Sept 23, 2008 3:42:57 GMT -5
I'm not trying to suggest something "easy" or "lazy" by any stretch. And I guess I have to re-iterate that I wasn't trying to be negative at all about Lemonfest. I'm simply being realistic. I'm not trying to say this will suck and let's make the best of it. I'm just suggesting ways to make this a better event. Would I love to play with bigger bands? Yes. Will we get bigger bands at this point? Absolutely no way in hell. Shows like that will happen, but at this point it's far too late for Lemonfest. And honestly, there really wasn't much of a chance in the first place. No big band is going to play a festival they've never heard of with other bands they've never heard of in a place they've never heard of. Confidence really won't change that, because if you want to talk about confidence, you should stop and consider for a second how inflated the egos of the bands you're trying to book are. I guarantee they're far bigger than any band already confirmed, and far bigger than anyone's trying to convince them to play. They won't pick up on any sort of confidence. It really makes no difference to them. I've learned this the hard way by trying to book big bands for small shows. They just don't care. If you want big shows you just have to talk to the right people and Arlington isn't the place to do that.
I personally thought Chop Suey went quite well. The people that were there enjoyed themselves immensely, whether they knew us or not, and I think every band put on a really stellar performance. It was something new, something hip, and most importantly, something well put together. Everybody had an extremely solid act that presented us as very professional, so even if we didn't make money, I'm sure they felt it was at least somewhat of a worthwhile investment. We did pretty good for a SUNDAY NIGHT.
I think this can go well too. We just have to make it so by going the best route for it. I'm not suggesting something safe, easy, or lazy at all. Anyone who has ever worked with me in any way (which is quite a few people on this board) can personally attest that I'm anything BUT lazy, and DEFINITELY not into doing things that I feel take me nowhere. I'm extremely success-oriented. That's why I'm not going for the easy way. I'm just going for the best way to make this as big, good, and memorable as it can possibly be.
And besides, no one wants a shorter set.
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Post by Aaron Campion on Sept 23, 2008 11:15:49 GMT -5
oh my dear lord! sorry guys, im far too lazy to read those last two posts but im going to still post on here anyway hehe! my opinion is that grassfest is a silly outdoor show that has crappy funny bands like squirrel corpse and everyones hypo, but lemonfest should be more of a higher quality indoor show at a venue that has only bands who can bring lots of fans. i would agree that kghb should not play, but since our new ep is coming out around the time of this show, it might be a good this for us to play and promote is. that being said, heres my suggestion for a lineup:
Fighter X
KGHB
The Lonely Forrest
Invisible Giants
Kay Kay and His Weathered Underground
Siren Sisters **
Aurora **
No-fi soul rebellion **
** dont personally particularly like these last three bands very much, but if we want it to be a good turn-out we're going to have to suck it. no-fi especially brings a good turnout up north, and their fans will probably also enjoy kghb (sadly our bands are kinda similar)
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