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Post by infradead on Sept 14, 2009 0:45:32 GMT -5
name thing needs to get dealt with.
what is GZ? a venue i take it..
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Post by ovenrake on Sept 14, 2009 9:01:47 GMT -5
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 18, 2009 1:27:47 GMT -5
GZ kinda sucks... wouldn't really be good for any kind of "fest" in my opinion. It's too small, terrible location, sub-par sound system. would not recommend. Firehouse or KTUB would both be better, but all those teen centers kinda suck in one way or another. I'd just keep it at the Vera hands down.
1 or 2 days is the question. Just depends on whether the Vera will give you two days, and if you can get enough artists booked. Definitely not 3 days though.
As far as funding, I've already discussed my thoughts on that with Dakota, and those thoughts are as follows:
*The Vera being a charitable teen organization should just be able to take operating costs out at the door and pay the rest to the artists as they usually do. Not sure exactly how they operate as far as renting out the place or damage deposits or whatever, but it shouldn't be more than what we could easily make at the door.
*As for booking, I disagree with spending excess amounts of money on specific artist's travel expenses. No one is big enough to get a straight up all-expenses-paid trip. The artists who are booked should pay their own way here because 1. they will make money at the fest from door sales, and 2. they will make money at the fest from merch sales. If they won't come with that in mind, then book someone else. Getting specific artists here is not going to significantly effect event attendance or money made at the door, so there's no point in spending a ton of money on something we won't benefit from other than our own selfish satisfactions of just thinking it would be really cool to have them.
* Event funds should mostly be spend on promotion and advertising because that is what will impact attendance the most directly. But even this should not cost that much.
I think we can throw a pretty successful event and still keep it at a low cost. The first matter at hand though is to determine the name of the event. I really never actually had a problem with Chipfest in the first place, but I also don't really care if it is changed to Betafest. Either one is fine by me. Chipfest is kinda silly, but it does make more sense. Any other ideas? and remember, it doesn't HAVE to have the word FEST in it...
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Post by infradead on Sept 18, 2009 3:45:44 GMT -5
most places will want a deposit and rental fee up front. they don't care if no one shows and you have to eat the cost of the event. they have no attachment to your event and all they want to do is make sure they can pay the rent/payroll/cost of equipment.
i have to disagree with this for a couple of reasons.
#1 names bring people. i know saskrotch brought out a few people who may not have came last year. the breakcore heads would not have bothered to show if it wasn't for him. i'm sure it wasn't a ton of people, but heads in the door = $$
#2 if no one shows and the parties a bust there is no money form admissions and no money from a merch table. if you have a guarantee for how much $$ they will get that's one thing but saying pay your way and you'll make your $$ off of something you can't control like merch and $$ is another
promotion is key. flyers hitting up local radio/print/webspaces
maybe do a fundraiser at GZ? if you can get a draw and its free it'd be a great spot.
dakota and i could set one up in tacoma, somewhere i'm sure. i know money is hard to get. hell i threw in some $$ last year to help
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Post by ovenrake on Sept 18, 2009 3:50:49 GMT -5
Word to Tacoma.
I know some dudes in the indie captial/house "Dear House".
They always got people showing up to their shows there and I think some variety could spice it up.
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Post by Fighter X on Sept 18, 2009 9:35:10 GMT -5
B I T S H I F T E R If he was over here and the promotion was done correctly, I think a lot of people would show up. Anyone I talk to that even remotely knows what 8bit music is, knows Bit Shifter - and it wouldn't cost much to get him over here. Bitshifter=hawtlowcostpopulardude
I love Nigel, but I think flying him over here again would be a poor choice. I'm not making any demands, that's just my opinion. The fact is that he can't bring in more than 15-20 people in Seattle. However, I can say that I wouldn't have even shown up to last year's Chipfest if Sassy didn't play : D Funny how they cut him off last year.....actually it kind of sucked.
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Post by infradead on Sept 18, 2009 13:22:47 GMT -5
bishifter would be great.
i agree with saskrotch. plus why would you want to bring out the same guy twice in a row.
a bitshifter would be a bitching headliner though. he's definitely a name a lot of people know and a nice guy to boot.
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 20, 2009 23:43:46 GMT -5
#1 names bring people. i know saskrotch brought out a few people who may not have came last year. the breakcore heads would not have bothered to show if it wasn't for him. i'm sure it wasn't a ton of people, but heads in the door = $$ Names can bring people, yes, but you said it right there, Saskrotch brought a few people. Was it enough extra to pay for his trip? Not even close. I mean, get Bit Shifter or whoever over here, sure, that'd be great, but I'm just saying to be prepared to pay out of pocket. If it will truly bring more people then do it. Just hope that your cost is > or = the money made from the show, which in all honesty, won't be. #2 if no one shows and the parties a bust there is no money form admissions and no money from a merch table. if you have a guarantee for how much $$ they will get that's one thing but saying pay your way and you'll make your $$ off of something you can't control like merch and $$ is another That's exactly my point though; if no one shows and the party's a bust, then obviously all that money spent on flying people over here wasn't worth it at all. If flying these people over actually will bring people like you say, then there should be no problem earning money back. In just about every venue I've ever played at, the general rule is that the artist is responsible for pulling in their own crowd. If the artist can't manage to pull a crowd or sell their own merch at their own show, then why exactly are they traveling and playing shows? I think the artist just has to decide; is it worth it for me to spend money traveling to play this show? Will I make my money back? Some of it? Yes. All of it? Probably not. But will it still be worth it just to travel somewhere new and have fun spreading my music to some new fans? Of course it will. As organizers of an event, we shouldn't be begging people to play and offering masses amounts of money for travel. In my opinion, that kind of makes us look desperate and not very professional. It should be the opposite; if we can present ourselves like we know what we're doing and portray a good enough image of this event, then artists should be the ones asking US to play at it. How much is the fest going to cost people to get in anyways? |
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Post by circles on Sept 21, 2009 6:26:04 GMT -5
maybe do a fundraiser at GZ? if you can get a draw and its free it'd be a great spot. That's what I thought the point was. I said I could get us booked for a fundraising show. P.S. they got a new sound system, and it is NOT sub-par. and even with the old, given the lack of sound problems i've encountered there I'd say its at least better than KTUBs. But anyway... I don't see what the big deal is about spending to get bigger chiptune artists over here. Concerst or other people's funding, as long as its not some exorbitant amount out of my own pocket I say go ahead. If someone else wants to pay some or all 450 dollars for Bit Shifter's plane ticket that'll be sweet, and i'll at least buy him some beer or something. I just don't get the point of putting up an argument for something that's not at your own personal expense. But I guess this all comes back to YOU then, Dakota. How much money are you willing to spend on this whole event? I like all your ideas and in a perfect world they'd be great, but let's face facts: You're talking about multiple days at a prominent venue, not just for a 3 hour show but all day for workshops and stuff as well, and you want to fly over multiple big chiptune artists, all expenses paid to play on their own night with out any local to even help draw them a crowd. And you want to do this with either money straight from the pockets of more or less broke artists and musicians or from a most likely less than successful fund raiser show. I honestly could set up a show like that at GZ, but there's no way we're making more than 80-100 dollars off of it, IF the line up was excellent, AND we weren't competing with anything else, AND we were incredibly lucky. It may even be closer to like 50 bucks. Flying over 2-3 national/inter-national artists is going to add up to around 1000 dollars pretty quick. Even cheaper venues like the LAB in Seattle have a 500 dollar overhead for shows, and you want the Vera, for at least 2 days. Not trying to be a downer here, i'm just wondering if you have the money for all this or know where it'll come from. Then again I guess we are planning pretty far in advance, which is nice, but you know... thousands of dollars... |
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Post by Fighter X on Sept 21, 2009 7:35:50 GMT -5
The Lab is such a strangely placed venue.
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Post by celsius on Sept 22, 2009 3:23:00 GMT -5
In my opinion, that kind of makes us look desperate and not very professional. Dude... you're having a public discussion about event organisation (that should be discussed behind closed doors) in a thread called "Chipfest 3.0 - Darmas". How professional can you get.  |
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Post by Webmaster Gabe on Sept 22, 2009 3:52:37 GMT -5
By jove, celsius, perhaps we shouldn't be planning this event publicly on the internets afterall!
Thread locked.
Anyone who is actually involved directly with planning the event should go plan it in private. Feel free to start a new thread to be used for general event discussion and informational purposes only.
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