LSDJ

[Fighter X]

Woah Seth!

[circles]

Sept 2, 2008 15:20:29 GMT -5 Webmaster Gabe said:

some guy at Pink Godzilla the other day was purchasing Korg DS the other day. One guy that saw you guys outside PAX though you were using it. haha. What are you chiptunist's opinions on that thang? Is it just a bunch of user friendly garbage or can you actually make serious music with it?

I just find i annoying that this is what's going to be credited as the chief chip-music making device from now on when it owes it's inspiration and design to programs that have been around for like (correct me if I'm wrong here) 8-10 years. Give credit where credit is due.

Sept 2, 2008 17:06:02 GMT -5 seth said:

Uh... leeni uses nanoloop. Better drop her from the label.
And lgpt isn't an emulator, its a native tracker.
AND who the hell pays attention to "generations" anymore? It makes noise through samples through a shitty chipjust like LSDj. Better recognize, bitch. Sorry you think crunchy owns the monopoly on portable trackers, but they're nothing new. I had a friend with lsdj long before everyone here started jumping on the bandwagon; big whoop.

Not trying to fuel the argument, but as the thread title suggests, this may be not be the best place to diss LSDJ. And as the forum title suggests, this may not be the best place to diss CrunchyCo. I doubt anyone who uses LSDJ here thinks they invented it. I'm pretty sure Nick's biggest influence is Sabrepulse, who has been doing chiptunes waaayyyy longer, just like everyone else in the UK chip scene.

It makes cool noises, but I can't see anything of real substance coming out of that gp2x.

[Webmaster Gabe]

what's the sound processor specs on a gp2x? is it lower than 4 bit!? any music made with such low bit chips is going to be really limited no matter what. if the gp2x is at least 4 bit, should be able to compete with the game boy just fine

[emptythought]

ok, let me throw down what i know here.

1. the gp2x, and lgpt are actually quite a hardcore way to go about it. they are both open source, and the gp2x/gamepark V2 runs linux. it's a handheld developed by a bunch of nerds who didn't like the closed hardware of handhelds. it's an awesome machine.(at a not so awesome price however) it uses a really basic sound chip, similar to the ac97 codec chips found in cheap computers. the way it generates sound for the tracker software(lgpt) is through VERY short samples, were talking milliseconds, that it loops. the original trackers associated with the "demoscene"(on amigas, etc) used this method. a very small sample file played back at different rates. it sounds very low-fi and similar to chip generated stuff. as i remember lgpt looks/works similar to lightning tracker(i think that was the name?) and other popular trackers from the 90's. tracker music and chiptunes are basically the same thing, and the same sound. just producing the sound in a slightly different way.

2. the association of korg ds10 with chiptunes is kinda fucked, yea. but it makes sense. i have yet to run into a person who saw me with my dmg, asked me why i had it/what i was doing and got it at all when i explained it, or had ever heard anything like that. the ds10 thing made it on wired.com and several other sites like that which are read by semi-mainstream people. those people, regardless of how big of nerds they are, have probably never heard of making music on a handheld game system any other way. it is kindof logical, knowing only that, to figure that there was some previous gameboy version of that or that it's a similar thing.

as for ds-10 itself though. it's an interesting program. it's kindof a toy like electroplankton though. it's cool, and the ds can produce some COOL sound(lots of people say the ds lite with the goomba emulator+lsdj, or the gba version of nanoloop is the best system). it has EXTREMELY nice bass response, and the samples are quite hi-fi.. while at the same time since it can play gba games, it can still produce pure square waves and such in a very gameboy-souding fashion.

unfortunately that program doesn't really let you do that. it's primarily for making weird, although sometimes awesome sounds with the noise channel in addition to sadly poor drum samples.. and playing back bad sample-based synths. nanoloop 2.0 or something is the good way to make music with a DS, ds-10 is not.

but yea, a lot of people seem to think you guys were using korg ds or something. i think it's because someone said that on one of the sites the videos were on. it's taken me some time to realize.. but really NO ONE in the world at large understands what were doing

and yea sean, if i find anything really cool i'll post it up here with some emulator based screengrabs to show what i'm doing. as of yet i don't really feel like i've figured out how to do much of anything cool at all.

edit: and seth.. dude.. chill

[Aaron Campion]

haha seth is freaking out on LSDJ again! yes i know the gp2x is designed for homebrew developers, i just called it an emulator because thats what its primarily used for. emulating games. and so thats why i called it emulating lgpt

Yes, we are all well aware Leeni uses nanoloop. Luckily she also uses her voice, which is what really helps/makes her older songs. Her newer songs though, sound much better in my opinion because she is now using LSDJ

By the way seth, your friend that had LSDJ BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE, what is his projects name? I would like to hear some of your friends stuff! Hes had it for much longer than everyone, before all the hipster scum got ahold of it right? Your friend should be a pro by now
(i got lsdj in july 2007 btw)

[Webmaster Gabe]

Sept 2, 2008 23:11:54 GMT -5 emptythought said:

a lot of people seem to think you guys were using korg ds or something.

it's probably because Korg DS appears to be more mainstream and new, so more people actually know about it, where as things like LSDJ are much more obscure to people. they think that you're using something like Korg DS because not knowing of anything else, that's the only thing they can associate handheld music creation with. (although they can't be too bright if they don't realize that DS carts don't work or fit in the original Game Boy)

[circles]

Sept 2, 2008 23:11:54 GMT -5 emptythought said:

as for ds-10 itself though. it's an interesting program. it's kindof a toy like electroplankton though. it's cool, and the ds can produce some COOL sound(lots of people say the ds lite with the goomba emulator+lsdj, or the gba version of nanoloop is the best system). it has EXTREMELY nice bass response, and the samples are quite hi-fi.. while at the same time since it can play gba games, it can still produce pure square waves and such in a very gameboy-souding fashion.

unfortunately that program doesn't really let you do that. it's primarily for making weird, although sometimes awesome sounds with the noise channel in addition to sadly poor drum samples.. and playing back bad sample-based synths. nanoloop 2.0 or something is the good way to make music with a DS, ds-10 is not.

Yeah I watched videos of it. It looks like it's mostly just for jamming and like scribbling the DS pen to make riffs and loops and stuff. You could create some good background for RPG battle screens though.

[seth]

aaron- i didn't say he was good i just meant it's not like this a new thing and it's not like it's THAT cool, it's just shit-quality electronica. that doesn't mean it's not GOOD, it's just lo-fi. the indie scene just had another lo-fi comeback and it will pass in time, just like the recent lsdj/chip fad.

[Aaron Campion]

the whole gangsta rap fad that started in the late 90s, i really hope that passes by soon
no, seriously!!

[seth]

haha, i dont hate all chip/lsdj crap, and i think it's good when combined with other music, just like i dont like most straight up gangsta rap but i like it when it's combined with other styles of hip hop. detroit rap is the shit and most of the time mcs are talking about sweet cars, bitches and money.

[Aaron Campion]

what are some gangsta rappers that dont talk about big anuses, cars, gold chains and money? seems to me like all the crap i hear on the radio (mainly from my sisters) are talking about that! are you talking about strange underground stuff? i mean yeah, there are a few i dont really mind as much as others, but i really prefer oldschool hip hop or white boy nerd rap kind of stuff

[Fighter X]

Nerd rap........ew. Anyway LSDJ is brilliant. Much easier to work with than my crappy EMX. One of the best interfaces I have ever worked with.

[Aaron Campion]

oh, shut up nick!!! im talking about high pitched white boy rappers

[seth]

Sept 4, 2008 12:24:06 GMT -5 Aaron Campion said:

what are some gangsta rappers that dont talk about big anuses, cars, gold chains and money? seems to me like all the crap i hear on the radio (mainly from my sisters) are talking about that! are you talking about strange underground stuff? i mean yeah, there are a few i dont really mind as much as others, but i really prefer oldschool hip hop or white boy nerd rap kind of stuff

yeah well most radio rap sucks, but chamillionaire is pretty damn good.

[Webmaster Gabe]

Sept 4, 2008 12:26:26 GMT -5 Fighter X said:

LSDJ is brilliant. Much easier to work with than my crappy EMX.

damn it nick! you need to ditch lsdj for a while and get back to composing some hardcore shit on that beautiful EMX!!